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a manned mission to the noon. in september india joined the u.s., russia and e.u. in successfully seconding probes to the orbit of mars. you can keep up to date all day long on our website, self-declared mislick cleric to take 17 on the motivations behind such acts of aggression. plus, financially fragile small town hospitals are shutting down and having a big impact. how crowd sources apps and twit kerr be more effective than the flu shot in protecting you from some strains of the
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virus bringing in all of your feedback during the program. you know, we have the hostage crisis in australia. we have gunman shooting about 100 went six people. it's a lot for the world to take in. >> there is so many of these incidents but it seems hike the reactions from australia, is marly uh unique. nadine says to that point, so touching beautiful australia should be a roll model for all others. let us co exist and fight terrorism. australia has not faced any of the terror thank you very much the u.s. or u.k. has, it is easy to be tolerant, when you don't face the heat. >> the crisis in sidney
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ended after police stormed the cafe where the gunman held the victims. the ups dent came at a time of heightened alert, prepared by affiliates of the islamic state of the iraq. this leading minute to wonder if it was in fact, the work of a man influenced by ice sill, and what if any immarket lit have on the muslim australian community. sonar no reported incidents of backlash, and twitter users gathers thousands of support es around the world. and co-founder of the
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college, the first muslim liberal arts college in the u.s. he has been called the western's world's most inaneble scholar. entitled the crisis of isis it went viral, raking in hundreds of thousands of views from people around the world. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> so you know, on one hand, we have got this incident hike the hostage crisis in australia right, and you can look at and it say this is a terrible violent act and then on the other hand, you see him raise that nag. >> right. >> and you can hear people doing violent things in the name of islam. and it all becomes confusing. >> first of all, i think it is important to remember that for instance, the idea of him being influenced by ice isle is ridiculous, because she
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was shiite, and isil is anti-shia. >> every though this some that are claiming that he worked on behalf of them? >> no, it is rubbish. the second thing, is the man is clearly insane and this is an aspect of what is happening out this, that people aren't thinking about, is the profound mental illness. the modern world is driving a lot of people mad, and you can see that around the nobody, because the -- you know the extreme circumstances of people find themselves in the rapid pace of life. human beings are meant to be at a much slower pace, evolutionary biologists will tell you this. even our just the rhythms that our normal to keep people healthy, are all out of whack because of artificial lightening, say tone that levels. >> true. realities. >> but with regard to
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australia, this was a cohesive response, this is a call for tolerance, do you think we are evolving globally in our roof uhs. >> no, i think -- >> it is much worse, and i think it is nice to see a #all right with you, but overall i think people are so fed up with muslims in a lot of places you can see this march in germany, let's face it. these aren't neonazis and even though the left is claiming that, a lot of them are just ordinary germans that are fed up with what is happening. i think muslims need to really become more aware of the fact that all of these incidents even they they represent an incredibly small number of muslims -- muslims are went 5% of the world's population, so we are going to have more insane people. 25%, just by sheer statistics. unfortunately, religion is often enlisted in people's insanity. this is something that has happened throughout history.
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so a lot of people find religion an easy way to express their mental pathologies. >> we had a plan fly an airplane into an i.r.s. building in the united states. and everybody said it was just some crazy nut case, even though he had written a political diatribe about the i.r.s., so it was politically motivated act of suicide, which had his name been mohamed, he would have been a suicide bomber, but obviously affiliated with isil, at least id logically, and this is the double standard that's cheer in our media. that we respect looking at mental illness as a real cause factor here. what i was saying about the modern world driving people man, people are on prozac,er this depressed this is just a reality. so those people that are mt. prone to melness illness are obviously going to be even tipped further over the edge, because just average people are suffering from
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mental problems. >> right, so regardless of the motivation, unfortunately, muslims are taking some of the backlash, so to that point, the law says ordinary muslims going about their lives are thrust into the spotlight, what advice do you have ever the those regular people who are the forces that are beyond their control. >> i think part of sit the -- usually in the west, we need to be much more civically engaged, doing more proactive work, we need to stop allowing certain forces to be framing our story. we have a story, we need to tell our story. it is important, and i think the onus is on the community to do more. >> how do you do that internally? i hear a lot of muslims say young muslims are being very politicized. they have lost this tradition of study, and understanding the history of the religion. >> yeah. >> so you have within islam, i think people who are very extreme view whose are in leadership positions how do you deal with that internally.
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>> like i said, extreme circumstances proceed extremism. if you look at the fails states in larges part of the muslim world, iraq is a failed state. anarchy has created vacuums have to be filled. politics also pour as vacuum, so you are just seeing extremism. emerged out of a post ward situation, and this happened -- the brutality is not unique to these people. if you look at mexico, which is really in some areas failed state. you have horrible drug -- we have 43 students that were kidnapped and that was with the police were accomplice sit in that. right. >> they have beheadings going on all the time down south, in mexico. so there's a lot of problems on the planet. and the muslims because they are 25% of the word's population, and because of certain circumstances that these states find themselves
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in, right now a lot of it has to do with all of the recent wars that have been going on. beattacks iraq, we have to take responsibility for the destruction -- >> one of owe veers talked about a way to determine who the legitimate muslim leader and who is not. qualified and nonqualified. >> well, it's a great question, tradition we have -- for instance, was an area where they would be considered scholars unfortunately, now, every tom, dick, and abdullah, becomes an expert. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. coming up next, world towns are losing their local hospitals.
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a psychologists and i amm in the stream. welcome back. dozens of rural hospitals have closed down in the last year, a hospital is considered rural if it is in an area with a population after less than 35,000. the communities left behind, often have to travel long distances. we are talking 30 or 40 miles or more. only raising the issue of equal access, be uh the consequences on a system that many see as fragile for millions. joining us now, and on
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skype from lumpkin georgia, coroner for the steward county georgia coroners office, she was formerly a nurse at stewart webster hospital. k is now closed. thanks to both of you for joining us. mark, one of the white house advisors predicted that more than 5,000 homes will closed. and the number that closed just since the beginning of last year, is double the pace of the previous 20 months. where is this happening most and why. >> so a lot of it is happening in the south, that seems toen the area of where these hospitals are closing. there's many reasons for that, but part of sit that the hospitals in the southern part of the united states have generally had poor financial outcomes over the last 20 or 30 years. so they will be more susceptible to changes. >> i imagine economics
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plays a big roll. the hospitals end up footing the bill, and they probably don't have a big budget to begin with. >> that's right. and rural areas have more rah more likely to have uninsured populations which typically pay less for hospital care then commercial insurance. >> so you were a nurse in the only hospital in stewart georgia which is uh no closed. so what happens if somebody has a heart attack and they have to get to the e.r.? they call an ambulance. the biggest problem is we only have two ambulances in the entire county. and it's a larger large county, and if it is tied up somewhere else, it's not good. the mans the night i had a friend that was 58, he had a heart attack at
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home, and it took the ambulance at least 20 minutes to get to him, because they had been out of town and they were on their way back then they had to go to another hospital that was not in the county that was further away, and that just added to that time, and he did pass away. his daughter actually started cpr at his house, so the cpr and the emergency treatment was started immediately, by his daughter, but it took so long to get him to a hospital, there was nothing nobody could do, whereas he could have been at stewart webster which was in rich land. he could have been there, and on an ambulance in seven minutes. >> to that point, one of owe veer whose is a paramedics sent in a video comment about how advancements in technology, can help
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rural areas let's take a listen to that. >> one of the tools that has helped negate transport times is a hillary clinton that allowed for transportation. helicopter. and another is the cardiac monitor and depresident bushlator. which allows us to run codes in the field the same way they would be run in the emergency department. well, i think the effect of -- is felt most in exactly these kind of circumstances we are talking about. in the emergency care, every minute is precious, and a round trip from a fourth ther hospital will be often have very negative effects. and there's a lot of stories of those similar stories of across the country in these maces that have lot hospitals. i think some of these technologies that have been suggest redirect examination promising
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especially this these places going through and experiencing a chose sure. what can we do to meet that gap, especially in emergency situations. owe just learned today another hospital in maine was shut down, they were denied to get an emergency clinic in their community. i was reading in georgia, in 20 rural hospitals only two or three deliver babies. are we poised to see a rise in bad outcomes when this trend continues. according to the white house and others it is going to continue. >> i don't think we have hit the hipping point here, and it may accelerate there's a lot of trends pushing up in this direction. with it's decreases in rural populations, the marketplaces as hospitals continue to consolidate and the systems get
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bigger, and bigger, we have a trend in how we manage health kay. moving more to a day surgery, all of these are poised to make rural hospitals in particular financially -- have more challenges. and i don't think that at all we are reaching the point where that will slow down so the the point, of how difficult it is to recruit professionals to these areas, two hospitals that are still in these areas, cybil most don't want to work there because it can get lonely, and boring for mds and their families, this can effect patients negatively. what was the mood like in the hospital where you worked? >> it was food. we had mostly four year residents. from columbus medical center, that would come down and pull our weekend and after hours call.
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our medical director pulled most of the others. we were able to man that e.r., we don't have anything here. we don't have acute care, after hours, emergency center, nothing like that. we have two doctors offices in the entertain county. if i remember correctly, and the wait, when they go to an e.r., in a large hospital. it's crazy. there they are for hours
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and hours and hours. can you imagine if they have a miner emergency. for the most part, we do have vans from different counties that will take people to like -- their regular appointments but as far as having something abnormal happen, or something that is not day-to-day, and near care, we have a problem. when i lived in a rural town in michigan i don't work,es to get to i didn't think about it. 20 miles for someone that needs to go get some routine care, 20-miles is reasonable, it isn't that large of a burden. when you are talking about emergency situation at night, potentially poor weather, with maybe someone who doesn't have
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a car, doesn't have transport, potentially is elderly, or has trouble driving, now all of a sudden that 20 miles can make an hour and a half as we are talking about for the round trip storks get set up and coordinate call, and i don't know where this part of the county is, because we just started coming here a year ago. that is a really important element. and we talk about 15 or 20 minutes i think what gets honest in that is how long that can take in an emergency situation. >> still ahead, tweeting the new ray way. this year's vaccine may not be as effective since the dominant new strain has mutated. how scientists are using twitter mapping to help you when the new shot can't, we will be right back. >> a crisis on the border... >> thery're vulnarable... these are refugees... >> migrent kids flooding into the u.s. >> we're gonna go and see josue who's just been deported... >> why are so many children
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and the ydc recently announced they ma be as effective. internet based approaches to fight the virus. here with us in studio, is been min executive director. his organization helped develop the app did you get the flu shot this year. >> i did not, and i have never gotten the flu shot, nor the flu, but maybe after this year.
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>> your mind could change. >> i did get a flu shot, and mark, given the fact this virus has mutated i don't know that i am any better off, but you have develop add social media program, to kind of deal with this. how can twitter help us when the flu shot can't? >> so what is really important to know when you are fighting the flu is what is going on the ground. in the united states, and the specific areas and that gives us important tools and we want to do things like decide where to deploy the vaccine, or how to respond a flu infection. >> so dr. mention gin, mark's work is more focused on giving information to the healthcare community, your organization has rolled out an app that kind of helps the general public, talk about what it does. >> yes, it is a wonderful app. it allows people to volunteer to tell who your symptoms. just yesterday, i logged in, and said no, i don't have any flu systems and
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when you look at the map of the united states, as well as my own community, you can see that there are a very very low prevalence of flu in my neighborhood, which is nice to know. so if i happen to get flu base systemsky report those, and maybe i am on the first early cases of the flu. >> so we put in our zip code, or i put in my zip code, i live in manhattan, and there's less than 20 cases of reported flu symptoms. first, how many people are using this, if there was a lot with flu, what am i supposed to do with that. >> we have over 1 million folks enganged in this process so it's a lot of people. if you do have a flu shot, even if it is not a perfect match -- >> you are more likely to get it than i am. >> people are us yeahing
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it. but it is -- it is a fun way, it is a good crowd sourcing way for people to know what is going on in their community, and what we are seeing is people will get the message that while it isn't too hate to get your shot. >> so mark, you guys are aggregating all kinds of data, without getting too technical. kind of explain to me, i have been thinking on it, how do you teach a computer to differentiate when it is looking for words, the difference between something like beiber fever and people talking about having a fever. >> right. so that's a great point, and it turns out if you look to things like fiver and flu, you will do a bad job of figuring out who has the flu. so we give a lot more information i have the flu, verses i am worried about getting the flu, and to do that we give that information about the words and the phrases, but we give a lot of linquistic as
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well. and when we give all that information, it can sort out which tweets are actually about being infected with the flu, and which are just people talking about the flu in general. >> so there's a lot of talk this year about the flu being the worst that it has been, but i am not the only one livin' on the edge. so that being said, this happens every year, nothing new, which is why i don't even bother getting it any more, and brian says it is evolution, it always happens. it is how life works why is this news? a vivos is no different, sow how do you convince skeptics that it is something to really take seriously this year? we know people die every year because of the new. it is not a secret, and don't you want to be protected? the secret is here is you can prevent from getting the flu, and so why take the risk. >> and to jump in on that, it isn't just about you getting the flu, but i have kids at home, and i want to make sure they
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don't get the new. so even if you think you don't mind about getting the few, and make sure that others around you that you live in a vaccinated community. >> i know you are working on some other types of applications for this, give me the withdrawn that you are the most excited about. >> i think mental health is something we are excited about moving into. we want to hook at -- and it is exciting because it is an area where we don't have a lot of information. so twitter can revolutionize what we can do. >> thank you. and to all of our ghosts today, we will see you online
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